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, but it was such a challenge. >> up exactly right. we put michele obama out there in a big way, she really motivated our base. it makes them understand how tough this is going to be. people kept saying that, you know, wake us up when the sky has a chance. >> larry, what were you guys doing on debate night? is national conversations on politics, but on one side, what were you trying to do? >> there were good opportunities for us to enter into the commentary and share the pokes and jobs underneath. and it was also a chance for us to see how the message was unfolding. there were things that were said in the debates that we kept good notes on. >> you have been questioned about this before, the issue of immigration. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> you are overreacting two. [laughter] >> what about the issue of immigration. >> you have to go out and take it. at that moment in time, rick perry had a very formidable opponent. you have to look at that individual at that moment of time. we were running a campaign based on jobs and the economy. and at that point, people would say that we knew he
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